Exchanges with an Anti-Vaxxer

 This was a typical exchange with another anti-covid-vaccine clown.  Initially, they expressed concern about the dangerous vaccines and that they weren't vaccines, in some sense of the definition.  So I asked for some insight into what those concerns were, regarding the vaccine ingredients.  This was the exchange.

Natalia Moreno

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What a shame! Censorship everywhere! That means- fear! Fear of the truth!

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  Dave McCormick

  Yeah. Vaccines work and are safe. It's a shame that a few nitwits try to spread fear with lies.

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  • Natalia Moreno

    "Vaccines" - That's right. Not this "miraculous elexirs".

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    Dave McCormick

    Natalia Moreno You haven't looked at the ingredient lists, have you? What do you think is in them?

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    What? Precisely, in great details, as far as possible to me, I looked at the ingredients, and what reactions each has on the living organisms, including human, and what consequences will be-I have an opinion that I have. Mind you- not that "consequences may appear", but inevitable they will appear.

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    Dave McCormick

    Natalia Moreno So, list the ingredients. I'd be interested in knowing what, exactly, you are concerned about.

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  • Natalia Moreno

    You can do it, research, by yourself. I'm sure of your abilities.

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    Dave McCormick

    Natalia Moreno So you refuse (or can't) list the ingredients and explain what concerns you? Interesting. I don't need to "do my own research". I know what's in them. I was just interested in knowing what you were concerned about. And so what you're showing is that either you don't know what's in them, or you don't know what the various substances are or you are choosing to blindly accept what someone else has said about the ingredients of these vaccines. Or perhaps all 3.

    Seriously, if you're going to make the claim that these vaccines are poison and that they aren't vaccines, you need to present something to make your point. So present something. And I'm not talking about some jpg you found on the internet somewhere. Take the actual ingredients of an actual vaccine - I'll let you choose which one, but starting with the mRNA vaccines would be an excellent starting point - and explain why you are concerned about them.

    So either put up or quit peddling nonsense.

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  • Natalia Moreno

    Concerning? Are you kidding me? I am, from the beginning, - anti-cov vaccine and everything related to it. But, I guess, you know that. Btw, I'm not anti-vaxxer.

    Why you are so eager to push me to start to discussing with you about "How safe cov vac are"?, especially- here, on this page? Didn't all of us have already doing it on Healthy Canadians page? You can find there a lot of info, in comments, about Ingredients and how "good" they are.

    So either find info by yourself or quit defending real madness.

    If, only "If", I have time and desire, I'm going to provide you with some info. Maybe. Maybe - not. 

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    Dave McCormick

    Natalia Moreno So you won't, or can't, explain what particular ingredients in these vaccines concern you.

    I've seen lots of nonsense on the Healthy Canadians group. I was giving you an opportunity to explain what concerns you had about the ingredients of the vaccines. To repeat, I know what the ingredients are. The question wasn't what the ingredients are but what your concern with them is. Specifically.

    And you can't or won't. So.

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  • Natalia Moreno

    Brrrr "You were gaving me an opportunity...."

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One-Year Retrospective

 On April 8th, 2020, I posted this comment on Facebook:

"Over the past couple of days, I've seen a number of posts criticizing Canada's public health officials for their position in not recommending face masks. Terms like "flip-flopping", "slow to act" and so on.... To those making such posts, I have this to say:

It must be nice to be the kind of person who, when asked to make a decision about something that is completely unprecedented, and to make that decision without much information and data, it must be nice to never, ever, have made a bad call. Or to have made a decision that you might have to change later on, once you had more information.

Canada's public health people have been doing an incredible job in the face of limited and rapidly changing information. If they make decisions, they are at least based on the best data they have at the time, unlike - very unlike - some of the statements that come from the mouths of certain "leaders" in some other countries. Canada's public health people are not soothsayers or people who can see the future. They have no magical powers. They can only apply their training (which, I'm sure I don't need to point out, most of us DO NOT have), and their experience, using only the data they have available, in making decisions that will have huge implications on the lives of millions of Canadians. And for which they will accept responsibility, again, unlike certain other "leaders".

Unless YOU think you could function better in such an environment, you really need to STFU.

As for the issue at hand, face masks. The best advice we can all follow is to wash our hands, try to not touch our faces and stay away from people we don't already live with. Face masks, unless you're talking about special N95 masks, will do almost nothing to prevent YOU from inhaling the virus. Wearing something on your face might help prevent you from spreading droplets that could pass the virus on to others. But they will not allow you to revert to life as normal prior to this outbreak. Most of us do not know how to use masks properly anyway. As evidenced by people's careless actions with gloves and such, we don't seem to know how to dispose of them either. There aren't enough face masks to go around, even if they were useful in some way. Masks ARE needed by people in high-risk situations like health-care workers. Their needs MUST come first.

Honestly, people, let's not let our anal orifice get ahead of our critical thinking skills."

A year later, Facebook reminded me about that post and this is how I responded today:

"One year ago. Let's see what has changed.

Masks recommendations, I think. We now understand that they help reduce the spread of possible virus-carrying water droplets that we all exhale.

Other than that? We still have self-proclaimed "experts" insisting that masks don't work, that the pandemic is a hoax, and, more recently, that vaccines don't work, that they could change your DNA, and so on, and so on. Those "experts" weren't right back then and they're still wrong. And as millions of vaccines roll out around the world, their misinformation about terrible side-effects are also being proven wrong as well.

So where are we today? In the USA, there have been almost 560,000 deaths attributed to COVID. In Canada, about 23,000. In Brazil, where things are seemingly completely out of control, about 341,000 and increasing at over 3000 per day. But in Taiwan, 10 deaths, and in New Zealand, only 26 deaths.

Obviously, things could have been far different in some of the worst hit countries. Strong action and reliable buy-in from the public could have prevented needless deaths.

Support strong action to protect public health, listen to the science and ignore nitwits."